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Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 24, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

Whats everyone elses CONSTRUCTIVE thourghts on this issue

/boggle
You assumed anything you had to say was constructive?
Surely you jest.

Your anger at your desire to farm and make a huge profits being nerfed does not in any way = PvE is unbalanced.

The problem is not game balance, but rather, YOU.
Get thee back to Lineage 2!

Talesin

Nasenbluten · Jun 25, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Honestly IMO i think that they need to bring back the farming for pve since theyre going to make it so pvp can get runes pretty easy, i myself dont pvp much just to mess around when im bored or something, i throughly enjoyed farming made for replay and helped me gear up other toons with some decent gear, as of now i dont even bother really playing, HONESTLY anet please please if your going to compensate the pvpers with runes then please bring back farming us pve'rs are bored out of our minds, and its just a matter of time as to when youre going to lose most of your pve fan base, i really dont think much will stay around for the expansion, nonetheless buy it if farming has been denied, honestly it wont be worth X amount of dollars to play a few more missions with horrid cinemas and explore for all of about 2 days or less. Maybe change the farm deal, make it so that mobs spawn in different locs so you have to look for that spawn you need to farm so this way we take care of the botters. honestly imo i didnt think farming brought up prices on stuff it was the retards selling stuff, if i has a gold or purp item i had farmed i didnt sell it for 100k i either sold it to a merchant or i sold it to someone for ultra cheap, now i know this is just me and theirs a thousand people in this game that price gauge and bot etc, etc but why make the majority of people who actually enjoyed the farming (its not grinding unless you DONT want to do it, and are forced to do it to advance so dont say grinding) suffer. Anet if you really read these post and take them into consideration please for the love or Melandru bring back farming i know ive posted this a million times + and the reason im doing so is in hopes iof anet will listen if you disagree with me its all good i know half of you guys are pvpers with the mere interest in slashing casting and shooting the next guy to death, but some of us want to have this challenge of "how many mobs can i take without croaking" i know i was on of them and id always try to beat my record of 7 and try to do 8-10 it wasnt really about the cash after i got my chars geared up it was more for fun and unlocking stuff (beating a dead horse imo this line been used so many times, but its so true that 90% of farmers were doing it for fun, only ones that did it for profit, etc "botter" GAMEGUARD ANET GAMEGUARD!

Sandman Uk · Jun 25, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

/boggle
You assumed anything you had to say was constructive?
Surely you jest.

Your anger at your desire to farm and make a huge profits being nerfed does not in any way = PvE is unbalanced.

The problem is not game balance, but rather, YOU.
Get thee back to Lineage 2!

Talesin

There ya go
I was looking for some constructive replies and not replies about being told "Leave then if ya dont like it" Answers and you come along and do the exactly that and say "Get back to lineage 2" lol

What I was saying was my opinion. and read my posts dont skip through them. I dont want to farm to make Huge profits I just want to be able to afford the good stuff for myself without having to put in 2,000 hours to do it now its nerf changed

p.s
Stop trying to talk like Yoda "Your anger at your desire to farm and make a huge profits being nerfed does not in any way = PvE is unbalanced." just cause you look like him.

RaiderArch329 · Jun 25, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

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Originally Posted by Rasp

Your post makes me think, you want them to go against there initial plans.

"The game is designed to reward player skill and teamwork, not time spent playing, so you won't need to spend hundreds of hours leveling up your character to compete."

It's quite funny how they finally start doing some PvP updates, and now we're hearing whining PvE folks. It's an endless cycle. ALL of the weekly updates so far have had PvE updates, and lots of them. Yet you're saying they're NOT updating the PvE side of the game?

Take more time reading, and less time whining.

BTW, If I was A.Net. I'd have delete'd your email ASAP, after reading the 'g-d' comment.

Did you read my entire post?

I, in no way said I wanted Anet to go against there initial plans. In fact I think they are doing a great job listening to the fanbase and creating a one of a kind game. But this is an RPG, and aren't players supposed to be rewarded for such devotion to a game. It just seems like PvE players, right now, are being thrown out the window. And yes I have read the updates page, quite a bit, do you think i would be discussing this topic if I hadn't? The majority of the changes that they have made to PvE have been fixes, not updates. Yes they did add the Rune, Rare Crafting Material, and scroll traders, and with these additions ruined the economy.

Now then, notice rasp, I have the words "right now" up there. I know Anet is cooking up something good for us PvE players, and I can't wait. But shouldn't they be fixing issues that already exist. But I can't wait to see what they have for us.

Like i said, if you would have read my entire post you would have seen this. "I love GW, and love Anet." Anet has created a great game.

BTW, the majority of this post has gone to shit. Rasp and Capn need to stop taking jabs at each other, and other posters. Express opinions in a civil matter, that way you don't have to worry about your ego being damaged and having to write something witty back at them. And hey you never know, you might have more time to actually play the game rather than bitching at each other.

JoDiamonds · Jun 25, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

So tell me how we are suppose to purchase the Underworld armour and all the Materials to go with it. I made a rough calculation of 300k needed and im not suppose to farm to raise gold for it.

This item has no game benefit. It's merely set dressing and entirely optional. If you want it, go for it, but there's no drawback to anyone who doesn't get it.

JoDiamonds · Jun 25, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Ba Ne

I "play the game as it was intended". Doing so yields next to nothing. It's bad enough that I actually noticed how bad it was and started to keep track of the gold/hour I earn "just playing the game as it was intended".

I'm currently earning 125g per hour of play (15,000g/120 hours). That is 100% unacceptable and I'll tell you why: I want to buy the 15k armor eventually. Just to cover the cost of the armor, not including materials, I would have to play for 600 hours (75,000g/125g per hour). Sorry, but the fact is there isn't enough content to warrant playing the game for 600 hours.

The effort:reward ratio is totally F'ed. ANet wanted to curb farming; wants us to be able to earn what we need "just playing the game as it was intended". Ironically, the changes they've introduced thus far have achieved the exact opposite of what they wanted: it's not possible to earn what we need "just playing the game as it was intended" which forces us to farm.

Totally F'ed.

EDIT: I just realized that my gold/hour isn't entirely fair. I did not take into account the money spent on armor, ID and salvage kits before starting to keep track (duh, right?) Anyway, that would change it to about 22,000 gold earned. To be really fair I have to add in the hours I've played the past couple of days so that would change to 128 hours or so.

22,000g / 128 hours = 172 gold / hour of play or 436 hours to earn enough for the 15k armor if I didn't buy anything in the meantime.

Another note on the math: Your income wasn't steady over all 128 hours (assuming that's the entire amount you've played). Income for levels 1-10 is obviously going to be far lower than the income you get for levels 20+ (which is a lot of the game, really).

So the rate that you quote isn't fair. To be entirely fair, you should have checked the difference each hour. That's a lot of work, though.

The point, though, is that the 436 hours you quote is only valid if you are "average level" for the whole time, not maximum level like you are for most of that time.

Xellos · Jun 25, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Balance PVE? What do you mean by that? Stop the economy from crashing/influxing-like-mad? Making PVE tolerable in a way that people will want to play Ruins of Surmia four times not for the sake of building a character, but for the sake of the mission? Fix the bugs? Go Anet style and stomp out all farming spots? Prevent bots? What are you asking for?

Loviatar · Jun 25, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Xellos

What are you asking for?

if you dont mind i will take that question for myself

i would (myself ) like people to give Anet at least 6-9 months to make whatever changes they find necessary to make the game more enjoyable to both sides.

with regular small updates that could add up to quite a change by then.

this coming week should bring a small amount of relief to the pvp side and i hope they will not yell this is not enough since Anet has already stated this will be a SERIES of small steps

what i want is simply to give them time to make a very enjoyable game better

if anybody feels this is flamebait i have my asbestos pants on

Pandora's box · Jun 25, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

if you dont mind i will take that question for myself

i would (myself ) like people to give Anet at least 6-9 months to make whatever changes they find necessary to make the game more enjoyable to both sides.

with regular small updates that could add up to quite a change by then.

this coming week should bring a small amount of relief to the pvp side and i hope they will not yell this is not enough since Anet has already stated this will be a SERIES of small steps

what i want is simply to give them time to make a very enjoyable game better

if anybody feels this is flamebait i have my asbestos pants on

Loviatar, I always like your positive view!

Due to the level cap and the equalizing system (no uber armor/weapons, skills etc) this game has a VERY short recycling cycle. After 3, 4 months at most, players will need new challenges. If Anet does not release expansions every 6 months than players will leave, bored. An alternative would be to change gameplay dramaticly but I dont think that will happen. Look at the Gaile Gray interview. What he is saying about spending gold: Add more fun items, like towncloths, new colors for pets... But what players want right now are items that make their chr. stronger! No way this will be done because of balancing issues. Than what?? If nothing happens after 6-9 months only a small group of hardcore players will be there to welcome a new expansion. Isn't that weird? I bet that if Blizzard would anounce a new Diablo II expansion tomorrow, it would be a great succes, no matter how outdated the game looks, no matter the exploids and bugs. So what makes the difference?

Loviatar · Jun 25, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Loviatar, I always like your positive view!

?

thank you

i plan on playing the game the way an Anet person mentioned before release.

consider it a single player rpg you can play online with friends or by yourself with henchmen

when i have seen everything i feel like and done what i want i will put it aside and check every so often for some new item that catches my interest and play some more

i have already gotten my moneys worth of fun and am only to the Gates of Kryta

i dont pay every month so i feel no pressure to keep playing because the money is going down the drain if i dont force myself to play

i will be buying the next chapter simply because i have had so much enjoyment from this one simply to show my support for their effort

i predict that the game will be so different a year from now that someone coming back would go
*is that the same game?*

i may or may not like all the changes but i feel the scenery along the way will be interesting

Celes Tial · Jun 25, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

and some of the people on this site make me want to slit my wrists with all the suggestions (...)

Its just a game.

I recommend psychotherapy.

Swarnt Brightstar · Jun 25, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

thank you

i plan on playing the game the way an Anet person mentioned before release.

consider it a single player rpg you can play online with friends or by yourself with henchmen

when i have seen everything i feel like and done what i want i will put it aside and check every so often for some new item that catches my interest and play some more

i have already gotten my moneys worth of fun and am only to the Gates of Kryta

i dont pay every month so i feel no pressure to keep playing because the money is going down the drain if i dont force myself to play

i will be buying the next chapter simply because i have had so much enjoyment from this one simply to show my support for their effort

i predict that the game will be so different a year from now that someone coming back would go
*is that the same game?*

i may or may not like all the changes but i feel the scenery along the way will be interesting

same thing here! So far I've played teh game 185 hours and currently that means I've beat every single other game I've ever bought (prolly even 4 of 'em combined) by at least 80 hours!!

the game is only $50 and seriously I think the PvE side alone is worth it! (I hope that was what you were talking about I get kinda confused when I play
GW for about 13 hours straight

)

Deathlord · Jun 25, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Let's see... People are complaining because they cannot be gods, and ANet is not helping them. It's not hard to see that there are plenty of immature posts in this thread, along with some exxaggerated ones. To start it off, let's view WHEN you should focus on all these things.

1. You've already beaten the game, know the storyline quite well, and are just focused on improving your character.

2. You have atleast a decent knowledge on prices of items.

3. You learned how to use your time wisely.

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First of all, it's not hard to find a good item. If you're unaware of desert collector items, and you're complaining about finding good items, then you're a complete idiot so stop trying to act mature on the forum. A mature person would bother looking up opportunities and information before complaining, if you didn't, that's not ANet's fault, therefore, they cannot fix it.

Second, the rune trader didn't give PVP characters an advantage anymore than PVE characters. Insted of needing 40k to buy a superior XXX or spending a few hours even finding a guy selling it, we now have a universal rune trader that can connect sellers from all districts together at low prices, if you can explain a good reason how this only benefited PVP players, i'd really like to hear it.

Third, please don't exxaggerate on how little you make. If you honestly make that little, then you probably didn't fit in the three categories i mentioned earlier. Therefore, you're knowledge on this topic is very limited so you cannot make a clear statement.

Fourth, there is no such thing for balance towards sides because every person has a different aspect towards which part they enjoy more. A roleplayer that never PVP's cannot yell at a PVP person for having it better than him since it's in his own choice that he doesn't PVP, if he did, he could have the same "Benefits" as the other guy.

Finally, stop badmouthing the rune trader. If you really think the rune trader is horrible, you shouldn't be buying anything from it. Money is not hard to make, you just need to know how to make it. 15k armor isn't impossible to get, it's hard, of course if you think that the last armor set in the game should be handed to you, just leave GW right now. On average, if you spent one hour selling a minor rune for 500, then that would mean 500 per hour. Now you can't make money that way so insted you solo hunt things for atleast 1000/hour, if you haven't tried it, you really should, little point in replying to this topic anymore if you still want to complain and haven't tried hunting.

Pandora's box · Jun 25, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Sigh, lol! So many players, so many opinions. Complaints are not about minor things or details. Do you want to know what would make many players happy? The thrill of an item dropping... Is it gold? Yes?? Identify... OMG! Its....

The Rune Of Jordan!!
+1 To All Skill Levels
Increase Maximum Energy 25%
Adds 1-12 Lightning Damage
+25 To Energy

How we miss that, we miss that, we MISS that exitement!

Loviatar · Jun 25, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

How we miss that, we miss that, we MISS that exitement!

i get a little excited when the very last of that charr army in the first missiom falls to my elemonk SOLO NO HENCHIES

edit

most of them ran right past me but i did kill 7 at one frenzy

Nasenbluten · Jun 26, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Deathlord

1. You've already beaten the game, know the storyline quite well, and are just focused on improving your character.

Fourth, there is no such thing for balance towards sides because every person has a different aspect towards which part they enjoy more. A roleplayer that never PVP's cannot yell at a PVP person for having it better than him since it's in his own choice that he doesn't PVP, if he did, he could have the same "Benefits" as the other guy.

ok these the only two things i tend to disagree here with honestly rest is just jibba jabba,

1----yes ive beaten the game the storyline sucked and you cant improve with the current farming, pvpers yes because of the pvp side of buying runes,skills etc

2----- yes there is a thing called balance and if anet cannot figure out how to do it theyre dummies because ive played DFC and in DFC you had about 6 classes in each realm and 3 realms imagine balancing that out, thats each class complaining (it wasnt possible) in guild wars theres two sides, pvp Vs pve balancing this current issue is being able to bring back farming

EDIT: 6x3=28

Sandman Uk · Jun 27, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I would also like to see Fissure and Underworld opened up. In principle it was a good idea to win in the HOH and this then opens up the transitions for your territory. Unfourtunatly Europe seldom wins in the Halls?? Not enough dedicated guilds maybe Communication problems, Or just plain crap :-)

IMO PVE play in this part of the game is slowed because of PVP play. I would like to see it open to everyone anytime but maybe a higher price to enter 1k isnt a great deal between 8 players who pay their way 150G how about 500G each to enter taken Automaticly when entering.

This would shut up the Lvl20+ who have finished the game and have nothing to do till this area opens. It would also be a great gold sink.